Keepers of Fortitude - Saryrn / Bertoxxulous

May you find your place of peace and content ;)

1096.4! AAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

LOL, this is true.

I realize that and understand it completely, I agree with you of course. Change is not and should not be expected, but often times change happens in order for relationships to work ( on both sides ), therefore creating balance and symmetry on the grounds of love where both are the benificiaries, only to strengthen those grounds in effect. I am talking about the good changes, not the bad ones =p.

i love agressinve and dominant women! GrrrRRrrrrRRrrr... lol

LOL

I know  he was just joking, and I was joking around as well. But then Zax said somethings toward what I said. So I gave my opinion, and then people started to misunderstand me and thats what brough us to this point. It wasn't my intention. It didn't start from Ryverwind, and go to the top of the section 3, read what I said, I just stated a simple fact on what "I" would do aside from the joking...I didn't start anything.

I am also not saying that to be in a relationship that the person has to change to your customs, of course not! Infact you want to be in a relationship with that person because you admire her own personality, individualism, intellect, and beliefs and so on.

Poor penguins, the minds that our out there to create such games sheesh!

But hell, It's fun shit!

http://mirrored.flabber.nl/bloody.pingu/bloody.pingu.swf

Fizz, that is not the whole quote, she missed the key part. This isn't just pointed at women, just it my case. It applies to guys of course. If you disagree tell me straight up, I believe that for any relationship to work, there has to be some change, there is sacrifices in some ways....little or big, and not just in one particular way. Most of the time that change is for the better, for the one changing as well. It is mutual. Those elements are also key characteristics to a successful relationship. A relationship is change, is sacrificial in many or some ways pending on the relationship, and can be positively reinforced which only makes the love stronger, more meaningful and complete.

I know, but it is just that they arn't understanding me and they say things that don't apply to me or my statement, I know that things will not always work out or continue to work out for alot of people or the majority of relationships that people have, and as I said I don't want someone to change only to please the other. Some changes are good, for both ends, others not...and I understand that completely. I was just trying to point out that possibilities through change ( that is not forced ) can be very enticing, especially for the one doing the change, if in truth it makes them feel better about themself. That is all....

I mean wth, it's like you guys are trying to choose pessimism over optimism toward some of my statements. If you don't understand something clearly, or what I am really trying to say, ask...don't assume. You guys trying to find some kind of flaw in what I say to make me seem not what my beliefs claim that I am so that it appears to be a fallacy?

you forgot to add the part where, "because she comes to believe it is better on her own".....I think you got the wrong impression. For example, I am saying as if that girl doesn't like relationships, because she loves going out and messing around with men and having no attachment. But lets say I care for this girl tremendously and I want to be with her, If she realizes that what she is doing gets no where and that she can have something greater and that she wants to be in a relationship with me because she feels the same way, hypothetically speaking. That might be something I can do, it all depends of course. I am not saying she has to change who she is, I would never want anyone to do that. But alot of people do things that don't truly reflect who they are, the mind can say one thing, and the heart can say another. And when both the heart and mind become intertwined, because that realization becomes clearer...then that hypothetical statement could be valid. But change is hard, and even harder to believe and trust that one has changed a certain aspect for the other, And not only should this change benefit the other but to benefit the one changing. I wouldn't want a person to sacrifice their ways to satisfy only the other person. Please stop misunderstanding me people, damnit!

He deserves it, and more...

And I am not saying Zax is wrong as I said before, of course one cannot be all sensitivity, that is dangerous and can get you no where. Just that some of those things I disagree with, a woman who is indepedently minded and loves her man will help out or at least try to help with anything and not make him do everything himself if she can, no matter what it is...to at least help their or even his cause. And vice versa. Not all men will lose respect for you if you start believing that " you are not like other men ", because I am sure most men would have to agree if you were a certain way that would contridict their way of living. And not all women that say that, are " blowing smoke up your muffler ". And who says because of who I am I will not "challenge" her ability in any way. You do not know me lol. And I agree with fizzgig fully as well.